Wednesday, February 25, 2009

Portuguese Nationality for Goans : documents needed if born after 19.12.1961

The following documentation is required for Goans to apply for a Portuguese Passport 

All applications to claim the Portuguese Nationality can be submitted at the nearest Portuguese Consulate of your area.

The documents needed to apply for the Portuguese passport :
(A) For those born after 19th December 1961 - Can apply only after their parents birth and marriage are registered in " Conservatoria dos registos Centrais de Lisboa"(Conservatória records of Central Lisbon)- The documents required are as under

1. Document of Identification of the applicant ( Indian passport with personal elements in conformity with those stated in the birth certificate)

2. Police Clearance certificate, with a photograph of the applicant pasted, and attested by the issuing authority, stating that no cases, criminal / judicial, are pending against the applicant, and its validity not earlier than six months;

3. Birth certificate of the applicant – Note:- Birth certificates upto 1970 must be in “Teor”

4. "Assento de nascimento" ( certificate of Birth) and "Assento de Casamento"(certificate of marriage)  of the parent(s) registered in the Conservatoria dos registos Centrais de Lisboa"(Conservatória records of Central Lisbon)- within the validity period

5. original BI of the parent registered in the Conservatoria dos registos Centrais de Lisboa"(Conservatória records of Central Lisbon)-

6. Birth certificate of the parent not registered in the Conservatoria dos registos Centrais de Lisboa"(Conservatória records of Central Lisbon)-

7. Death certificate(s) of the deceased parent(s)

All original documents issued in English or in local Indian language must be accompanied by a translation of the same, in the Portuguese language except the notarized Xerox copy of the passport, issued in English or in local Indian language.

- All documents and respective translations, except the notarized Xerox copy of the passport must be attested by

-Those obtained in Goa :
(a) Notary
(b) Collector
(c) Under-Secretary (HOME)

-Those obtained in Daman and Diu and Dadra & Nagar Haveli
a) Notary
(b) Mamlatdar
(c) Joint Secretary (HOME/ Collector);

-Those obtaining from Maharashtra
a) Notary
(b) Mantralaya ( Home department)
(c) Under-Secretary (HOME)

Consular fees :

Attestation of each document : Rs 719.( as of 25/2/2009)

Nationality processing fee : Rs 14,083

(B) For those born in the Antigo Estado da India ( Former state of India) before 19th December 1961 ( Day of liberation of Goa):Please CLICK HERE for the requirements of the documentation.

22 comments:

answer me_2009 said...

hi,

The blog was excellent ,but needed some more help in registering marriage of an existing Portuguese Passport holder.My hubby birth is in Bangalore , karnataka state .the problem is translation of Birth Certificate to Portuguese is not possible neither attestation by collectorate or any authorised person.

need help.

Goa said...

I reckon you will have to get the exact information for your case from the Portuguese consulate. I will try and get this info for you from the consulate and post the same on this blog soon.

Your problem essentially is that after you translate your husbands birth document to Portuguese, the attestations that follow ( from notary, collector and Home Department) will naturally have to be done in Bangalore and those attestations may not be acceptable by the consulate in Goa.

I guess you may have to do the attestations with the external affairs ministry in New Delhi. However it is better to be fully informed and I will surely help you to get this info in the coming days.

Cheer Up!

answer me_2009 said...

hello,

I was vry happy to see your immediate reply.

I had sent my Father-in-law to attest the Birth Certificate of my husband in Belgaum,Karnataka he faced 3 problems namely:

1)The attestations are done on the xerox on the basis of original certificates, they refused to attest on the Original.
2)The attestations on the xerox were done by Notary,Deputy Commissioner,Superintendent of Police.
3)None of them were able to help him in translation in Portuguese so I got the translation done in Goa and attested by a Goa Notary.
but no one is ready to attest the Portuguese documents over there.

I got married in Goa and there is no problem with my Marriage Certificate and all the needfull is done except the Birth Certificate.

I would be very grateful if you would help me since I am planning to come to Goa and complete the necessary formalities.

thxs

Goa said...

Hello

Firstly I need to explain to you the types of attestations as per your queries as under

1) Attestations on a xerox copy of an original is for "TRUE COPY" attestation. This is of no use to the Portuguese consulate.

Notaries in Bangalore ( where I presume your document of birth certificate originated) or the place from where the document originated, will be able to attest the original birth certificate.

You have to know what is going on here. You see, the Notary simply attests the signature of the issuing authority of the birth certificate. So Notaries of a particular area have the details and signature specimens of those officials in their area and they are expected to attest only those signatures. Not any signature from anywhere else. Therefore Notaries belonging to that particular area will attest the signature of the issuing authority of the birth certificate. In Goa, the issuing auhority is the Sub-Registrar and the Notary attests his signature which means he approves that the signature is correct.

Further when the Collector attests the document, he actually attests the signature of the Notary, which means he approves that the Notary's signature is genuine. Going ahead, the Home department attests the signature of the Collector, by approving the genuineness of the signature.

(2) The attestations done by you with the various authorities in belgaum or Bangalore do not mean anything because they have been done on a true copy and not on the original.

(3) The translation was attested by a goa notary only to say that the translation is correct and is a translated text of the document in question ( in your case the true copy - Xerox) This attestation by the goa notary is only for the translation whereas your original document itself is not existent. you are dealing with a true copy which is why there is no standing of that document for the Portuguese authorities.

however the translated document attested by the Notary will be attested by the collector and Home department in Goa.

What you probably need to do is the following - However you need to confirm this with the portuguese consulate.

You have to make a translated copy ( translated in Portuguese) of the birth certificate.This will give 2 documents in your hands. One is the original and the other is the translated copy.
Next get the original copy and the translated copy attested by the local notary ( notary may not attest translated copy).After attestations you need to get them attested with the collector and the Home department in that location. Next you may have to attest these two documents with the External affairs department and then present them to the consulate at Goa.

However I dont think any notary will attest the portuguese translation for you in bangalore as they do not know Portuguese. So you may have to do the original birth document attestation in bangalore and the translation document attestations in Goa ( which you have already done).

But I think rather than all of the above you may have to attest the documents with the external affairs ministry in New Delhi and the Portuguese embassy in New Delhi itself.

I will revert back on this to you after enquiring with the consulate in Goa by tomorrow.

Cheers!

answer me_2009 said...

I hope you get the solution to my problems.........

thxs

Goa said...

To
answer_me_2009

The answer to your question is indeed the same which I suspected.

I have enquired with the Portuguese consulate in Goa on your behalf and they have informed me that you need to get in touch with their embassy in New Delhi and you will have to get your papers attested in the External affairs Ministry in New Delhi according to the embassy's instructions.

You will therefore have to go to the embassy in New Delhi or call them over telephone. The telephone number for the Portuguese embassy in Delhi is 011-46071001.

So you need to speak to the Portuguese embassy and tell them your case over the phone very clearly and ask them the procedure to register your marriage for your spouse who is from bangalore and whose birth is registered in bangalore.

Remember, you have to be to the point over the phone and not be found at a loss of words. The embassy is a busy place and the more specific you are the better.

In fact write down what you will exactly want to speak and then call up.

Here is a tip. Start with this line, to be given a proper hearing.

"Hello, I am a Portuguese national.... I would like to know........"

You should do fine


Good Luck!

answer me_2009 said...

hi,

The contact no. given goes on voicemail and unable to connect.
I will go personally to Delhi.

I will revert back with the correct information so other facing similar problems can find a solution to it through this blog.

bye

valentino said...

hello,

I don not have my parents original document, but i have got my dads traval document ( VICAR)from he archives, but it seems that it is not excepted as original. why?.i see thats the only way i can apply for the portuguese nationality. i have my mothers birth certificate in portuguese but i can find any original documents,since they were born in 1943 & 1945,its been long now.



Please help!

Goa said...

Valentino!

Take whatever you have and proceed to the Portuguese consulate in Goa to seek clarifications and enquire about it.

Do make a written list of all your queries before you go there so that you are ready with all your questions and not found wanting.

Show the documents that you have and seek their guidance on how to proceed. If they reject your documents then you need to seek help from them to furnish alternative documents.

Then do come back here and post to help the Goan community to understand better.

Good Luck!

jesten said...

hi,
i was born on 8 oct 1961, i want 2 knw if i can apply 4 da portugues nationality
thnx....

Viva said...

Hi,

I would like to register my parents' marriage directly in Portugal. Could you please provide me with a list of documents that are necessary? Also, are these required to be attested by the Portuguese Consulate here in Goa?

My dad is not eligible to be registered as a Portuguese National so he needs to submit a declaration in Portuguese to state that he is not interested in acquiring Portuguese Nationality. Do you have a format for this? And who needs to attest this document?

Also, what must the procuracao state in case someone in Portugal is going to apply for the Marriage Certificate of my parents.

And finally, how much will the Marriage Registration in Portugal cost?

So many questions...but this would really help.

Thank you

Goa said...

I have replied to a similar comment made by you elsewhere on another post on this blog. Please check.

Goacom

Charles said...

Hi, want to start this process for a portuguese passport, i am born after 1961 (9th NOV 1984) and i guess i need to register my dad first, born in 13/9/1956 , he also has a travel document showing his travel to mumbai from goa (in original form the Director of Archives & archaelogy) , can this fulfill the requirement for the "OLD Document" .

Also , i will go to the portuguese consulate in Goa soon for clarification, Can you break down the process for me so i can understand this all better.

Thanking you for all you help in anticipation...

sallydon said...

CAN A PERSON LIVING IN USA ILLEGALLY APPLY FOR THIS PORTUGUESE PASSPORT , IF HE HAS ALL THE PAPERWORK FROM BEFORE 1961

den4star said...

One of the parent is registered in portugal also the parents marriage is registered in portugal what is the next step to register children born after december 1961, I just got the news there is new legislation in portugal

den4star said...

One of my parent's Birth is registered in portugal so also my parents marriage is registered in portugal, I want to submit my documents for acquiring portuguese nationality what are the documents required, Lately I got the news that one has to submit/ transcript declaration before submitting documents

antoniodias said...

I am starting from the scratch to obtain a Portuguese Passport. My father a Goan born in 1930 died in 1981 in Bombay. My mother was a christian born in Maharashtra married to my father in Bombay at 'Church of our lady of salvation Dadar Bombay in the year 1955. I have the Certificate Of their Marriage ' in English. I managed to find also in my father's old file 'CERTIDAO DE BATISMO' which is all written in Portuguese with an IMPRESSION SEAL of the church of Goa Arambol. I also found a certificate, from the Ministry of External Affairs(for travel between Goa, Diu and Daman and the rest of India)that while he was having service in Bombay he had to travel to Goa to repair his old house(as it is mentioned on that certificate) and he needed permission from Ministry of External Affairs which stated(ONLY FOR PERSONS OF GOA, DAMAM AND DIU ORIGIN)It has been stamped with Justice Of Peace by the Gazetted Officer with accompanying children, one of which is me and 2 of my elder sisters names mentioned on that certificate. I obtained my father’s birth certificate just a week back called “Registo Dr Nascimento” which shows birth of my father on 4th October 1930. I was born in 1959 in Bombay and have all documents in English concerning my birth and education.My question is .
1) Is it possible for me to apply successfully to obtain portuguese citizenship.
2)In all what would the cost structure be.
3)I am presently holding an Indian passport, will that mean if i am rewarded a portuguese passport i will loose my Identity as Indian, and i lose indian citisezship?
4) Could you please give me genuine attorneys to assist me in the process.

I am sorry for the excess matter written and has taken your time. Kindly reply me the earliest. My e- mail Id is :
antoniodias@rediffmail.com

antoniodias said...

I am starting from the scratch to obtain a Portuguese Passport. My father a Goan born in 1930 died in 1981 in Bombay. My mother was a christian born in Maharashtra married to my father in Bombay at 'Church of our lady of salvation Dadar Bombay in the year 1955. I have the Certificate Of their Marriage ' in English. I managed to find also in my father's old file 'CERTIDAO DE BATISMO' which is all written in Portuguese with an IMPRESSION SEAL of the church of Goa Arambol. I also found a certificate, from the Ministry of External Affairs(for travel between Goa, Diu and Daman and the rest of India)that while he was having service in Bombay he had to travel to Goa to repair his old house(as it is mentioned on that certificate) and he needed permission from Ministry of External Affairs which stated(ONLY FOR PERSONS OF GOA, DAMAM AND DIU ORIGIN)It has been stamped with Justice Of Peace by the Gazetted Officer with accompanying children, one of which is me and 2 of my elder sisters names mentioned on that certificate. I obtained my father’s birth certificate just a week back called “Registo Dr Nascimento” which shows birth of my father on 4th October 1930. I was born in 1959 in Bombay and have all documents in English concerning my birth and education.My question is .
1) Is it possible for me to apply successfully to obtain portuguese citizenship.
2)In all what would the cost structure be.
3)I am presently holding an Indian passport, will that mean if i am rewarded a portuguese passport i will loose my Identity as Indian, and i lose indian citisezship?
4) Could you please give me genuine attorneys to assist me in the process.

I am sorry for the excess matter written and has taken your time. Kindly reply me the earliest. My e- mail Id is :
antoniodias@rediffmail.com

go1 said...

Could you please inform me of the procedures for attestations for a parent born abroad in the middle east, my other parent is already registered with the Conservatoria Registos Centrais and we are proceeding with the marriage registration. Appreciate your help.

Lincoln said...

hi,

I was just going through the "Portuguese Citizenship Act" and i found that i could apply for a BI on the basis of my marriage.

Quote
"Artigo 3 P.

1. The alien who is married since more than three years with a Portuguese national can acquire Portuguese nationality by making a declaration during the marriage."

i have been married for more that 3 yrs and my wife holds a valid BI. Is this enough grounds for my application? And does the consulate in Goa support these grounds or is this only applicable in Portugal itself?

Please reply..

kunal said...

Does any one have worked with any agency who can help with the documentation in Goa for applying for the Portuguese passport.

grebel said...

my birth is already registered have appointment for BI. Was married in bangalore . church only. have obtained civil certificate indicating that date notarised and attested by deputy commisioner. what more attestations are required?? Please guide me through the Delhi procedure.

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